Nando Harmsen

Delete separate photos for HDR and panoramas, or not?

Sunday 24 November 2024, 15:30 by | 2,882 views | 18 comments

This article was translated from Dutch with the help of AI. Read the original.

If you take lots of photos, you gradually collect a lot of images. They take up space on your hard drive and in Lightroom Classic, if you use it. Some of these photos are for HDR images and panoramas. Once you have created them, should you delete the original photos? Or not?

The end of the year is approaching again. For me, that means it is time to sweep through my Lightroom Classic catalogue. The Big Clean-up.

This not only tidies up my Lightroom Classic catalogue, but also cuts down the ever-growing number of photos on my hard drive. Anything that is not worth keeping goes in the bin.

Nando lrc yellow green screen

I have a great many photos. Among them are series of five or more photos used to create HDR images or panoramas. These are the photos with a yellow label.

Some people say that hard drive space costs nothing, but that is not true. It costs money, especially when you make sure you have a proper backup. One hard drive is not enough. You need at least two, and preferably another backup in the cloud.

Apart from that, it is time to sweep through my catalogue, and therefore through the photos on my hard drive. There are large numbers of exposure brackets from which I have created an HDR image. And there are also many separate photos that have been merged into a panorama.

I started asking myself the following question: is it necessary to keep the separate images for an HDR and panorama?

Every HDR photo is made up of five separate photos. Merging them into an HDR results in a DNG file containing all the information from those five photos. Is it then necessary to keep those five photos?

Nando lrc HDR dng screen

An HDR composite is a DNG file containing all the information from five photos. Do I still need to keep those five photos, or is the HDR enough?

A panorama photo is made up of two, three, four, five, or more photos. This merging results in a DNG file between 12000 and 20000 pixels in size, along its longest side. Is it still necessary to keep those separate panorama images?

Nando lrc pano dng screen

A panorama is a DNG file made up of two, three, four, or more photos. Do I still need to keep all those separate images once the panorama has been created?

On the one hand, I say yes. They are the original files. On the other hand, the HDR photo and panorama in DNG format contain enough image information to be edited as a raw file. So I am leaning towards deleting all those separate images.

What about an HDR panorama? A panorama made from four HDR photos, each consisting of an exposure bracket of five images. Should I then delete all 20 originals? Or should I keep the four merged HDR images that make up the panorama?

Nando lrc verwijderen 2 screen

I quite often make series that are merged together. It saves a lot of space if I delete the separate images. Is that sensible, or not? What do you think?

I have not quite made up my mind yet. So I am curious how you deal with this. What do you keep, and what do you delete? What would you advise?

Don't say that hard drive space costs nothing and that you can therefore keep everything. That is not true, and certainly not an option. Anything that is not worth keeping or that has failed is deleted. But I would be glad to read your advice on this.

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Nando Harmsen

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Nando Harmsen has been photographing for more than 40 years. He specialises in wedding photography and landscape photography. Nando also gives talks, workshops, masterclasses and photo trips, and regularly reviews new and interesting equipment.

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18 comments

  1. MacBigfoot
    MacBigfoot wrote on Sunday 24 November 2024 at 17:24  | reply

    Something you could consider when thinking about a panorama: do the individual photos have value, meaning: if not, I would settle for the final panorama photo.

    And furthermore: I don't know whether the technique of merging photos, panorama or HDR, could improve much further. That would mean that keeping them is pointless, because the end result is already there.

    And finally: you had a goal in taking individual photos for HDR & panorama: that goal has been achieved, so what would you still want to do with the individual photos?

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  2. Nando
    Profile Nando wrote on Tuesday 26 November 2024 at 09:26  | reply

    Exactly.

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  3. ifiamminghi
    Profile ifiamminghi wrote on Tuesday 26 November 2024 at 11:06  | reply

    Completely agree.... after all, the individual photos aren't good anyway (well, exposure bracketing, so with each photo there is something that is over- or underexposed), whereas the composite photo now contains exactly what you need, and with a DNG you can still carry out some editing, if that is still necessary.
    I have been guilty of it too, and thus "wasted" a lot of storage space... I am also busy "cleaning it all up" now.

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  4. Nando
    Profile Nando wrote on Tuesday 26 November 2024 at 11:40  | reply

    A DNG file is not only suitable for some further editing. It is a raw file, but with all the brightness values that were in the individual images. So you have much more room for editing (that is the essence of an HDR image)

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  5. Ron A.B.
    Ron A.B. wrote on Tuesday 26 November 2024 at 10:44  | reply

    I keep them because it quite often happens that I want to merge those old ones again because the quality of the programs (photoshop) has improved so much... besides, insights and taste also change and that too can be a good reason to want to do it all over again and possibly with different techniques

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  6. Nando
    Profile Nando wrote on Tuesday 26 November 2024 at 11:38  | reply

    This is indeed a point to consider.
    The starting point I have is that an HDR image is a combination of the exposure bracket. In my opinion, that combining is not something that changes. But editing that HDR image is.
    It is interesting to delve a little deeper into that.

    The starting point for me is that the DNG of the composited image (the HDR) has all the brightness values available that were present in the individual images of the exposure bracket.

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  7. hendrik
    hendrik wrote on Tuesday 26 November 2024 at 11:20  | reply

    Backing up your files (photos are on an external hard drive), which systems are worth considering? Part of an existing course or how can I find out more? Can you give advice?

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  8. Nando
    Profile Nando wrote on Tuesday 26 November 2024 at 11:43  | reply

    There are several options for backup. That also makes it difficult to find a good system.
    I would advise having a local backup drive to which you have your external hard drive backed up (automatically) - preferably in real time via backup software).
    Additionally, back up to the cloud so that it is also stored outside your home.
    You can read this article to get an idea of how I have arranged it: https://www.photofacts.nl/fotografie/rubriek/lightroom_tips/5-tips-voor-fotobeheer-in-lightroom-classic-en-ook-voor-andere-software.asp

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  9. Truus
    Truus wrote on Tuesday 26 November 2024 at 11:39  | reply

    I too am busy tidying up. Sometimes unfortunately too much and too quickly. Especially when I have made an edit that I have edited undesirably in a plug-in. I can no longer go back in the edit in LR. Some photos can work in a panorama of 5 photos, but later I think that 2 or 3 photos could also be nice. So last week I agreed with myself that those photos would get an X flag and the good ones a white one. Still more time to think, because the possibilities for editing photos keep growing and then it is wonderful to edit the older photos again.

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  10. Nando
    Profile Nando wrote on Tuesday 26 November 2024 at 11:49  | reply

    That is indeed a risk, Truus. Throwing things away too quickly is not good. I therefore do this periodically, and not immediately.
    I would never throw away the original of externally edited photos, for the reason you already mention yourself.
    Combining panoramas of, for example, five photos means that you can always crop that photo later - which would then correspond to a panorama of fewer photos. vrolijk

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  11. van loon antoon
    van loon antoon wrote on Tuesday 26 November 2024 at 11:46  | reply

    Usually I keep a single photo from a panorama series that has a good composition in its own right. The ends usually go then.
    Have found that the well-exposed photo from an HDR series usually shows a different color pattern than the composite result. I usually keep that one as well.
    I usually make series of photos that are only meant to be viewed and not projected quite a bit smaller, which saves some space too.
    But I can imagine that Nando has more shots than I do and therefore the erasing brush needs more hairs to erase.

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  12. Joseph
    Joseph wrote on Tuesday 26 November 2024 at 15:47  | reply

    After creating the HDR, I always throw away the files

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  13. Marcel Jakobs
    Marcel Jakobs wrote on Tuesday 26 November 2024 at 17:09  | reply

    In this age of AI, I find myself hesitating quite a bit about throwing away some panoramic images, especially if you also want to enter a photo in a competition now and then. The rules often say that you must always be able to prove that the end result consists only of photos taken by yourself. Well, if you then throw away the originals, you can create a problem for yourself and get disqualified. All because of AI and the possibilities of image enhance or image extender.
    In other words, you will have to carefully consider what you do with each photo, throwing things away too quickly can cause problems later on. But you should certainly clean up regularly.

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  14. Nando
    Profile Nando wrote on Wednesday 27 November 2024 at 09:50  | reply

    If you use photos for this purpose, that is a good reason to keep them.

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  15. Jos
    Jos wrote on Wednesday 27 November 2024 at 16:10  | reply

    Photos that aren't worth the effort aren't used to make composite photos. They don't even belong in the selection, so they're thrown away.
    The RAW files that are part of a composite photo, I keep. The reason is quite simple: when I started with digital photography, I had an Olympus XZ-1 and the RAW photos from it are still worth keeping. More than that: with DxO PhotoLab I can still get more out of them now than I could back then with RawTherapee. So my reason for keeping them is clear, although naturally the limit is set by the information actually available in the RAW file.

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  16. Nando
    Profile Nando wrote on Thursday 28 November 2024 at 10:02  | reply

    A good reason to keep RAW images.
    The question that does occur to me is the following: the HDR merge (DNG files) created from multiple RAW images contains all the necessary image information from those RAW images. New software then makes 'better' use of that information. In my opinion, that doesn't have much to do with a new HDR merge.
    It would be interesting to test that sometime.

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  17. Jos
    Jos wrote on Thursday 28 November 2024 at 11:14  | reply

    As far as I know, merging into a single DNG file is only possible in Lightroom. Since not everyone makes money from photos, that isn't a universal option. In that case, keeping the RAW files is wiser, especially since the stored information takes up just as much space.

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  18. Nando
    Profile Nando wrote on Thursday 28 November 2024 at 11:50  | reply

    Other software may use a different file format. A 16-bit TIFF file also contains the necessary image information.
    I only mentioned DNG as an example.

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